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Mike Holt
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Allen Knowles
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 Posted - 06/06/2006 : 12:03:48 PM
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| The one fly I know I do not have! Mike I neglected to introduce myself when I was in this weekend. I will be back this weekend hpoefully to pick up those magnifying glasses you showed me. |
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calvin kidder
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 5:10:03 PM
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what dry fly should i try to tie to match this hatch? thanks and tight lines |
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Taxon
Starting Member
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 6:52:01 PM
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Mike-
In your Friday Update, the 1st photo is of a male, and the 2nd is of a female.
Incidentally the photos in your Friday Update seem to cover up both large portions of text and each other. Not sure why it is doing that, but it sure makes for some disjoint reading. |
Roger Rohrbeck
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Streamer
Big Fish in a Small Pond
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 12:04:08 AM
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Calvin:
If I read the smilies right, , you're kidding. (In case you're not, ) you'd tie a Hendrickson pattern. Here's a good one from HipWader's:
http://hipwader.com/2003/hendrickson-dry-fly-pattern
You'll see that the dubbed body on this one matches the yellow color of Mike's photograph. You may have to shop around for yellow Hendrickson dubbing.
If you're feeling "experimental", you might want to try an extended body fly:
There are a couple of these patterns in the archives of Fly Anglers Online. They're Drake Patterns, but if you fudge with the colors, you might make it come out close enough...
The 2-Feather Mayfly:
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/fotw2/040703fotw.html
The Extended Body Green Drake:
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/fotw2/071403fotw.html
This one has moose mane tails; remember that you want three tails on your Extended Hendie (check out the photo...if you don't see three tails, get an eye exam ).
Another site that's good for a variety of patterns is the Fly Fishing Connection:
http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/patterns/fly_tying.php
Their home page, which this link should open to, has an assortment of boxes. If you click on the box next to "Dry Flies/Emergers", you'll get a list of fly patterns. In there, you'll see a pattern for a Hendrickson and a pattern for an extended body Green Drake. You may also note that they have an "Insect Identification" block (with very basic information, but good photographs), and at the bottom of the page, two handy blocks for tiers: the one(s) on the left cover hooks, tools and materials; and on the right, there are proportion charts for dries, wets, nymphs, and streamers. There is a lot of good information in here for a fly tyer. They even have an "Instructional" section, that has step-by-step instructions, such as this lesson on tying an extended-body mayfly:
http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/mayflyext.html
You can probably tell that I like this site. It's in "My Favorites". You might want to do the same. 
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calvin kidder
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 03:22:32 AM
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| thank streamer i knew it was a mayfly but i couldn't find my book hatch guide for new england streams last night so i just was not sure which pattern to tie thank for the great sites by the way tight lines |
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Mike Holt
Member
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 08:02:25 AM
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Taxon,
I was pretty sure they were Hendricksons but since they are so late (normally see them around the 3rd week of May) I wasn’t sure. Some suspected the mayflies in question might be “rotunda or invaria” especially given the late arrival.
Something I’m not sure of and perhaps you can save me some checking is do the “rotunda and invaria” males have the big red eyes or is that a indication of the Hendrickson – subvaria?
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Mike Holt
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 08:16:44 AM
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Taxon,
I went and checked the Friday Update page and all of the print and photos were fine. I wondered if it was a setting on your computer that might be the problem and so I started playing around with my setting to see if I could produce the problem you were having.
What I found was that my PC screen resolution was set at 1280X1024 pixels and that when I changed my setting to 800X600 pixels I got what you had seen - a mess 
Since I read somewhere that 800X600 is the normal setting for most PCs I will check the page at 800X600 before I publish it from now on.
Thanks for mentioning it and if you get a chance please see if it is OK now for your viewing. Oh, and I also made the pictures thumbnails that you can click on to enlarge rather than leaving the full size. That seemed to help placement. 
http://www.maineflyfishing.com/Friday.htm |
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Broham
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 08:43:38 AM
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Mike,
How did the boats make out yesterday? You mentioned Marshall was on the water...I'm planning a break out of cubeland either today or tomorrow and I'm needing a bit of primer in this weather.
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Mike Holt
Member
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2807 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2006 : 09:10:37 AM
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Broham,
Fish were rising even at 19,900cfs on the Sidney checkpoint. Water clarity was poor - better today. Hatches are strong (based on the amount of mayflies on the building in the morning) but flows are wicked fast making the hatch seem sparce.
One good thing about the high flows is fish are hiding out from the strong current and so you look for the slower pocket water at the tail of the islands, backwash behind the points - that sort of thing. It's something like fishing the low water where you look for the deep holes that offer protection.
If you are still planning to come with your canoe you will likely find fish. However, you want to take care when selecting an anchor point - don't set up in to fast a flow planning on casting to the slower water. That fast water can set your canoe to swinging really hard - the fast flows call for caution.
Here's Marshall's entry in his log for yesterday.
"June 6, Frank and Jack High water and way off color...chocolate. Finding rising fish was a big challenge. Both Frank and Jack were up to the task and both hooked fish; Caddis and Hendrickson were sparse but proved deadly on the rising fish we saw."
http://www.flyfishingmainerivers.com/writerpages/marshall/Log%202006.htm
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Edited by - Mike Holt on 06/07/2006 09:15:15 AM |
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Taxon
Starting Member
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 03:46:01 AM
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Originally posted by Mike Holt
Taxon,
I went and checked the Friday Update page and all of the print and photos were fine. I wondered if it was a setting on your computer that might be the problem and so I started playing around with my setting to see if I could produce the problem you were having.
What I found was that my PC screen resolution was set at 1280X1024 pixels and that when I changed my setting to 800X600 pixels I got what you had seen - a mess
Since I read somewhere that 800X600 is the normal setting for most PCs I will check the page at 800X600 before I publish it from now on.
Thanks for mentioning it and if you get a chance please see if it is OK now for your viewing. Oh, and I also made the pictures thumbnails that you can click on to enlarge rather than leaving the full size. That seemed to help placement.
http://www.maineflyfishing.com/Friday.htm
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Taxon
Starting Member
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 03:55:27 AM
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Mike-
Wow. Wonder what happened in my above post. Sure wish this board had an edit function. Ah well.
Anyway, what I attempted to say is that the thumbnails are okay, but about half of the other photos are too wide to work side-by-side at 800 x 600. Specifically the 5/26, 5/5, and 4/1 reports still have that problem. |
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com |
Edited by - Taxon on 06/08/2006 12:11:08 PM |
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Taxon
Starting Member
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 04:28:22 AM
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Something I’m not sure of and perhaps you can save me some checking is do the “rotunda and invaria” males have the big red eyes or is that a indication of the Hendrickson – subvaria?
Mike-
Not exactly. I would describe the color of the eyes of Ephemerella invaria (E. rotunda) male subimagoes (duns) as being burnt orange, like the color of the eyes in your above photo. Incidentally, my earlier comment about the mayfly being a male wasn't intended to imply that it was Ephemerella subvaria. |
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com |
Edited by - Taxon on 06/09/2006 11:06:06 AM |
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Rory
Frequent Contributor
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 07:56:02 AM
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| There is an edit function, but sometimes you have to explicitly "login" to the site to activate it, it doesn't seem as though entering your userid and password when you post is always enough. I noticed this just the other night. |
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Ken Allen
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 08:01:34 AM
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Roger, I'm one of the guys who thought the above photo was Ephemerella rotunda, E. invaria or maybe a minor species of Ephemerella.
My question is this: I think an invaria and rotunda male subimago have large eyes but cannot find photos of them in my books. Am I correct in assuming they have large eyes a la E. subvaria, cornuta, dorothea, etc.
Exact color is less important to me because of the variations from water to water and also because cameras do not always record colors accurately. With that said, though, when looking at the above photo, I did think rotunda or invaria because of the burnt-orange. It wasn't a big deal to me, however, because the camera might have misled me by not recording the color accurately. |
Edited by - Ken Allen on 06/08/2006 08:04:38 AM |
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Mike Holt
Member
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 08:41:13 AM
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Taxon,
Got it. The people thinking they are rotunda/invaria are probably right. Especially since if you look close the mayflies in question seem a little small to be Hendricksons and the body color is not as dark or reddish as you might expect if they were Hendricksons.
I guess I should change the title of this post to Pale Evening Dun. Regardless, there sure are a lot of them.
The size is a tip off but what should really have told me is the body color. These mayflies are decidedly olive to a pale yellow in body coloration. I guess that goes to show how important it is to catch one of these critters and look closely at it when picking an imitation.
From my reading it seems for fishing purposes it seems the differences between the Hendricksons and Pale Evening Duns are slight but knowing them may well make the difference between a refusal and a take. Here are some of the things I’ll be paying more attention to:
A good nymph pattern for both is the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear and I’m glad I carry this pattern in a variety of sizes (12 – 20) and now I don’t fell so foolish about hanging a size 18 Hare’s Ear off the back of a size 12 of the same pattern. I knew it worked but now I understand why.
Pale Evening Dun hatch time is later, say, 3:00pm to 4:00pm instead of the 1:00pm to 2:00pm hatch time for Hendricksons.
Pale Evening Dun is lighter in body color tending to yellow/olive instead of the rust/olive in color and smaller in size.
Pale Evening Dun spinner fall is later in the day than the Hendrickson’s spinner fall. However, both Hendricksons and Pale Evening Duns spinners can be successfully imitated by a Rusty Spinner pattern (with attention being paid to the size differences). No wonder I sell more Angel Wing, Mahogany Spinners then all my other spinners.
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titleguy
Big Fish in a Small Pond
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 08:54:41 AM
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The spinner for both is also very well imitated by a pheasant tail parachute. I had the same hatch on my "old" home river in VT and just assumed it's late May, must be Hendricksons, just a weird color produced by some local condition. I fished the Tom Rosenbauer Snowshoe hendrickson emerger with great success and the PT parachute for the spinner also with good success. So go figure. However, it might explain my total lack of succes fishing the duns at Shawmut. |
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Taxon
Starting Member
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 12:47:16 PM
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Originally posted by Ken Allen
Roger, I'm one of the guys who thought the above photo was Ephemerella rotunda, E. invaria or maybe a minor species of Ephemerella.
My question is this: I think an invaria and rotunda male subimago have large eyes but cannot find photos of them in my books. Am I correct in assuming they have large eyes a la E. subvaria, cornuta, dorothea, etc.
Exact color is less important to me because of the variations from water to water and also because cameras do not always record colors accurately. With that said, though, when looking at the above photo, I did think rotunda or invaria because of the burnt-orange. It wasn't a big deal to me, however, because the camera might have misled me by not recording the color accurately.
Ken-
Here is the link to a photo of an Ephemerella invaria (E. rotunda) male subimago from Jason Neuswanger's Troutnut.com website.
http://www.troutnut.com/naturals/mayflies/ephemerella/Ephemerella_75_1.jpg
E. rotunda is actually considered to be an invalid junior synonym now. That's why I show it parenthesized following E. invaria when someone refers to it. |
Roger Rohrbeck
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Ken Allen
Frequent Contributor
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 07:16:46 AM
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| Roger, you are a real jewel on these bulletin boards, one of the best additions I've seen since I first noticed these Maine fly-fishing boards. |
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Taxon
Starting Member
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 12:29:16 PM
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Originally posted by Ken Allen
Roger, you are a real jewel on these bulletin boards, one of the best additions I've seen since I first noticed these Maine fly-fishing boards.
Ken-
Thank you for the kind words. |
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com |
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